Still can't find what I want, but this link is pretty good with outbound links: https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/04/19/want-reboot-civilization-what-you-need/fReMGOEq2ZkgZ8WPu3xLCL/story.html
Print on to velum and store in a safe place. ☺
just a reminder for you:
here you are branded as a (unknowingly) fascist supporter who's spreading their message into the tech community.
I'm awating for a statement about your anti antifa video.
@BryanLunduke I'm not a native english speaker. ...if that's where the problems coming from.
Other framing. You might be rememberd as a (unkowingly) fascist supporter.
@paulfree14 Did I "support fascism"? If you can provide me with a direct quote where I state that... I'll gladly and quickly retract it.
But I didn't say anything like that. Ever.
Either you can back up your statements or... you are knowingly making things up to attack me. Which is libel. Which is against the law.
my problem is not that you stated it, but that you shaped a story around antifa is a domestic terrorist organisation.
I mean just because some consider Jews officialy as Subperson I'm not shaping a story around and taking this statement as avidence that jews are Subpersons (Untermenschen)
With that you're taking part in being a voice for fascist propaganda.
antifa is not an organisation.
In a responds to your last toot, you're implying not being pro-fascism. Is it false if I asume you're against fascism then?
Some people call it anti-fascism if one is against fascism.
I have done nothing of the sort.
You have not disproven the facts in the video. You have invented a new lie that I am, somehow, "supporting fascism." Something that you have been told, by the source, is not true.
I back up my statements with facts. Provable facts. I even show the websites directly in the video. You need to meet the same level in order to disprove what I have stated.
It should also be noted that you have committed the legal definition of libel.
- You call me I'm wrong and would lie without depunking where I'm false or disprove it with any facts.
- you say you backup you're statements with facts, and make it look like I wouldn't
- then you make again a statement without bringing any evidence.
.. you have committed the legal definition of libel.
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If I were you, Bryan, I wouldn't be so quick to accuse others of libel.
To substantiate your video's title claim, you needed to show that Riseup was primarily catering to antifa. The video does not even try to do this.
You now know that Riseup has been around for a long time and that it has many users. Characterizing it as primarily a service for antifa is inaccurate.
@BryanLunduke I think the thing some people took umbrage with is the conclusions and/or assumptions you took from those facts. The logic seemed somewhat fallacious, regardless of to whom you were applying it.
Personally I can't imagine you drawing the same conclusions if it were, for example, the Tor network, so many might see your video as not being entirely forthright.
Admittedly this is 2017 and outrage culture being full swing, I can only hope you see some signal amidst the noise.
@jeff No, it's just the argument that Bryan presents is that because some members of Anifa use RiseUp; RiseUp is complicit in what Antifa do. Which is a fallacious argument, guilt by association.
I don't think he would hold Tor accountable for how people use it. But he seems to be holding RiseUp accountable for how people use it.
@totallykvothe The conclusions aren't what concern me, I just get a little nervous when this kind of logic is used to get there. I've seen it turn into some nasty witch hunts http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/02/02/dark-web-browser-tor-is-overwhelmingly-used-for-crime-says-study/
@ChrisWere @BryanLunduke RiseUp is not just some random email provider, that happens to provide accounts to among others Antifa activists. Their website states it clear that supporting such movements is the very purpose of their existence.They're invitation-based and in their own words, provide accounts to "allies". So there's nothing far-fetched in drawing a conclusion that they regard Antifa as their "ally".
@BryanLunduke Thank you and keep up the good work.