What is wrong with South Africa? They are, literally, out of water. Cape Town, which will be out of drinkable water "within weeks", launches protests when Israeli's offer help.
They would, literally, rather die of lack of water than let Jews help them.
@BryanLunduke Are you still talking about that one side paragraph in a commentary article? There's next to no information in there, and it's still spinning to extremely pull it out of proportion.
How about you come over here and actually talk to someone, instead of staging outrage over an alleged population of jewhaters that you read about on the Internet.
@BryanLunduke Here's another interpretation of the same data:
Israel: "We know about desalination, you should buy our stuff."
ZA: "Thank you very much, we have enough capable engineers, and in case you hadn't noticed we're literally surrounded by two oceans. So no thank you, we don't want to do business with you on this one."
This paraphrasing is exactly as valid as yours, from just the available information in the linked article.
@BryanLunduke LOL. You haven't addressed a single one, and you're telling me mine are detached from reality, while I'm in the city, and your're judging from some Internet commentary from the US of A?
I am gone, because I'm there. Your behavior and ignorance is why people in the world have no respect for American foreign politics.
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@BryanLunduke Coupled with the rising attacks on specifically white farm owners that are somewhat encouraged by the EFF (Economic Freedom Force, the communist party), they won't be able to sustain themselves as a nation.
Lauren Southern's doing a good series on it at the moment.
@BryanLunduke #Israel is the main reason that #Apartheid was a thing here in South Africa. It makes a very powerful statement when people refuse to allow murderous racists to "be the saviour". Many people in SA "stand by Palestine", which inevitably means that we must stand "against Israel". How far would *you* go to make your point? Besides that, we all know it is less about the drought, and more about mismanagement & bullshit politics.
@BryanLunduke in the last 40 years of the 20th century, most of SA's military tech and nuclear weapons came from Israel. Most of the "big business" moguls had ties to Israel (Eg: Sol Kersener, Raymond Ackerman, the Rockefeller family, not sure about De Beers or Anglo). It is well known that the National Party was a good "friend" of Israel. One of the first things that Mandela did after he came back was raise controversy with his pro-palestine policies. So much "smoke and mirrors" out there ...
@bobjonkmangreen Israel is *not* practicing apartheid. Also the *vast* majority of those that currently live in both the West Bank and Gaza are *not* indigenous (unless you count the huge numbers that were shipped ther by Jordan).
Making those sorts of statements suggests you support the stated goal of the Palestinian government -- the complete eradication of the Jews. I suggest stating otherwise if that's not the case.
@bobjonkmangreen "Israeli" denotes citizenship in a nation. Citizens of Israel. There are nearly *identical* signs in almost every country on earth -- there are some borders/areas that cannot be entered without permission from that nation (which, often, is in the form of citizenship or other documented status).
That's not anywhere near apartheid. Not at all. That's like calling an "Apple" a "slice of bread". It's nonsense.
@bobjonkmangreen There are at least 3 innacuracies in that statement.
Before we can continue with a discussion, I need an answer to a simple question:
Do you condemn the Palestinian government's goal of the death of all Jews -- and do you support the right of Israel to exist and to defend its people from violence?
I need a direct answer to that. Otherwise we cannot continue having any sort of meaningful discussion.
@BryanLunduke @bobjonkmangreen With all respect, it's not /exactly/ that simple. I can understand why people might be reticent to say carte blanche that they support a nation's right to defend itself. In principle I think the US has a right to defend itself. I live there. It would be stupid of me not to. However, that doesn't mean I think the US has a right to do all the things it does /in the name/ of defending itself (say, the Iraq War or the number of people it keeps in detention in ICE.)
@bobjonkmangreen @BryanLunduke Similarly, I think the State of Israel should, in general, defend its people. However, I think many of the ways the Likud party pursues that goal are ineffective or, in some cases, directly undermine the goal and export more suffering than could be justified by the amount of actual safety they provide.